The song can probably fit multiple genres including post grunge, modern rock, alternative rock and just rock. This time there is actually a reliable source however, so reverting it on personal tastes really needs to be avoided. It's a common argument with numerous band and song articles between editors over what genre or sub-genre it is and 90% of it is opinion based - some people thing so and so is metal, but another guy thinks it's pop or pop metal, or so and so isn't punk etc etc. I'm glad you think it's hilarious - but it's still just your opinion, and we're not building an encyclopedia based on peoples opinions on subjects. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 17:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC) But that's just your POV. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC) The Allmusic page lists "3AM" as a post-grunge song, which is absolutely hilarious and highly dubious (it's practically a pop rock song!) - which is why I interpret that page as listing the biggest albums and songs by "post-grunge" bands, not necessarily the biggest post-grunge albums and post-grunge songs. In that case, it wouldn't hurt to list it under multiple genre's, since there is rarely universal agreement as to what genre a song/band falls under (as is the case for the Semisonic article). Yankees76 ( talk) 17:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC) I agree that allmusic is a reliable source then again, you could probably find another reasonable source that classifies it differently. It's labeled post-grunge, as indicated by a reliable source so I'm reverting your change. So wether or not you "think" it's a post grunge song shouldn't be coming into play here.
Per WP:V the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth-whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. Where does it say most commercially successful? Most post-grunge bands only managed one hit, except Matchbox Twenty and their most commercially successful song is Bent, not 3AM as is listed on the allmusic post-grunge list - so that theory isn't relevent. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 23:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Like I said, the song more closely resembles pop rock: see the Sacramento Bee - Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 23:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC) I think a third party needs to be involved - the source is clearly a reliable source and your interpretation is certainly not accurate. You'd need a source much more concrete than that. Maybe Semisonic is a post-grunge band, but "Closing Time" ain't a post-grunge song. And if I'm interpreting that page correctly, it's showing the most commercially successful songs by artists that are labeled post-grunge. Yankees76 ( talk) 21:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC) A quiet/loud/quiet/loud dynamic can apply to any genre of music. "Top songs" has Closing Time, just after 3AM by Matchbox Twenty. Anyways, you wanted a source so here's 's "Post Grunge" page. In fact that description fits better than alternative rock ( modern rock is more accurate). Not post-grunge? You've heard the song right? The quiet-loud-quiet format alone should give you an indication that it's cleaned up radio friendly grunge. The question is, is this reference a reliable source? - Yankees76 ( talk) 20:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC) Allmusics "Top songs" has Closing Time, just after 3AM by Matchbox Twenty. Is Closing Time a post grunge song? 's "Post Grunge" page. JoeBrennan ( talk) 13:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC) Genre I put in a citation needed but I haven't changed the text since it may be accurate and just not sourced.
If none can be found, soften the language to something like "appear to be continuous shots". Cite a reference where the video maker states that the shots are continuous. Some of the transitions on the left side could be edits.
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